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The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism

 
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tedw2



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism


Although what I call now call the Acetone theory of Alcoholism is not
presented in the Big Book of Alcoholics, it is an idea that circulates
and is prevalent in AA. The reason I bring up the subject is that I
went to a
meeting the other day and a fellow brought up the "Fact" that
alcoholic
process alcohol differently and this is the "cause"of alcoholism.
Ideas like this are presented as Truth in meetings, often by people
with years of sobriety. And don't get my wrong, the people who
advance this idea really believe it. Let us quickly look at the idea to
see if its true.

Where did the idea come from. As far as I can see, this idea was
popularized by James Milam (Ph.D) in his book "Under the Influence"
(1981). Mr. Milam summarizes his position :

"In summary, addiction to alcohol MAY, in part, be traced back to a
liver enzyme malfunction which results in a a buildup of Acetaldehyde
throughout the body".

Milam bases his theory on a study by Charles Lieber , chief of research
program on liver disease and nutrition at the Bronx Veterans Hospital.
Dr. Lieber found that the same amount of alcohol produced very
different blood acetalhyde levels in alcoholics than non-alcoholics.
Higher levels were found in alcoholics than non-alcoholics*

What these "Acetone Theory" advocates don't tell you (Because
they don't know it) is that other research has not found the same
result. **
Stanton Peele has done a service by pointing out this fact in his book,
"The Diseasing of America".

All of this brings us to a discussion of what is known as "The
Oriental Flush". It is generally acknowledged that the phenomenon of
Oriental flush has a biochemical basis. Stanton Peele puts it like
this:

" Oriental Flush has a biochemical basis in that Asian groups display
higher acetaldehyde levels when they drink: here, many believe, is the
key to alcoholism"***


Are you beginning to draw a conclusion like "Well, if acetone is the
cause of Alcoholism and those with "Oriental Flush" have higher
acetone leves , then they must have higher rates of Alcoholism. That
would make perfect sense.

But do those with "Oriental Flush" have higher rates of alcoholism?
No.
Not according to R.C. Johnson in "Cultural Factors as explanations
for ethnic group differences in alcohol use in Hawaii" published in
Journal of Studies on Alcohol 49(1988): 346-356.


So are you beginning to see the truth. Those that advance the
"Acetone theory" of Alcoholism do so not because Science has proven
it as a fact. They may be deceived by reading Milan book or maybe its
what they want to believe, regardless of facts.


Anyway, now you know the rest of the story. Fortunately, Alcoholics
Anonymous has a step for those who promulgate the "Acetone Theory"
as a proven scientific fact:

" Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong
promptly admitted it"

Please print out and take to your sponsor who tells you alcoholism is
caused by Aceton.

http://Christianrecovery.blogspot.com

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Mikey



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:54 am    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

Have no idea dude, I thought Acetone was what you used to get Crazy Glue
off something...
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tedw2



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

No, you dont hear it too much at NA meetings. But if you hang around AA
meetings awhile you will hear it.




Greg P. wrote:
> I love this dougwa guy. He is always around when you need someone to
> debunk a myth that no-one has ever heard of or a myth that no-one ever
> really believed in the first place.
>
> I've been clean and going to NA meetings for nearly 20 years and I've
> never once ever heard anyone talking about acetone theories or
> anything like this.
>
> Nonetheless, I'm glad the old man set me straight about it.
>
> Greg P.
>
> >Although what I call now call the Acetone theory of Alcoholism is not
> >presented in the Big Book of Alcoholics, it is an idea that circulates
> >and is prevalent in AA.
>
> I want to feel what Mary felt when God spent his seed.
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nipntuk



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

On 10 Jun 2005 07:13:42 -0700, root@127.0.0.1 wrote:



>Then why post it to an NA newsgroup?

Been lookin' for one of those - seen one anywhere?

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Bill D.



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:54:08 -0600, nipntuk ,
with ineffable wisdom and insight enthralled us all with this shining,
brilliant example of absolute cognitive coherence:

>On 10 Jun 2005 07:13:42 -0700, root@127.0.0.1 wrote:
>
>
>
>>Then why post it to an NA newsgroup?
>
>Been lookin' for one of those - seen one anywhere?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Visit http://www.nacer.org for the real 'Survivor Yucatan'


Ummmm...........
Hmmmm...........
Geez, I seem to remember seeing one somewhere but can't remember
where.......
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~Charles B. Newcomb~

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Mikey



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

I'm still confused, is Acetone what you use to get Crazy Glue off of
something or not?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Nippy, I've been trying to contact you,
should I give up?

Mikey
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Bill D.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:39 -0500, Mikey ,
with ineffable wisdom and insight enthralled us all with this shining,
brilliant example of absolute cognitive coherence:

>I'm still confused, is Acetone what you use to get Crazy Glue off of
>something or not?
>

ac·e·tone
A colorless, volatile, extremely flammable liquid ketone, CH3COCH3,
widely used as an organic solvent.

A colorless, volatile, extremely flammable liquid ketone widely used
as an organic solvent.
An organic compound produced in excessive amounts in diabetic
acidosis.

a volatile fragrant flammable liquid ketone C3H6O used chiefly as a
solvent and in organic synthesis and found in abnormal quantities in
diabetic urine called also propanone.

the simplest ketone; a highly inflammable liquid widely used as an
organic solvent and as material for making plastics
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Bill D.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:15:35 GMT, Bill D.
, with ineffable wisdom and
insight enthralled us all with this shining, brilliant example of
absolute cognitive coherence:

>On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:39 -0500, Mikey ,
>with ineffable wisdom and insight enthralled us all with this shining,
>brilliant example of absolute cognitive coherence:
>
>>I'm still confused, is Acetone what you use to get Crazy Glue off of
>>something or not?
>>
>
>ac·e·tone
>A colorless, volatile, extremely flammable liquid ketone, CH3COCH3,
>widely used as an organic solvent.
>
>A colorless, volatile, extremely flammable liquid ketone widely used
>as an organic solvent.
>An organic compound produced in excessive amounts in diabetic
>acidosis.
>
>a volatile fragrant flammable liquid ketone C3H6O used chiefly as a
>solvent and in organic synthesis and found in abnormal quantities in
>diabetic urine called also propanone.
>
>the simplest ketone; a highly inflammable liquid widely used as an
>organic solvent and as material for making plastics

Crazy Glue
Posted by Ellen on October 5th, 2001 06:19 AM

I inadevertently got a drop of crzy glue on my matte finish formica
laminate desk. Can it be removed without hurting the finish?

In reply to Crazy Glue by Ellen on October 5th, 2001 06:19 AM

Acetone should remove crazy glue and will not hurt the p-lam finish.
http://www.bobvila.com/wwwboard/messages/49149.html
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nipntuk



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The Truth about Acetone and Alcoholism Reply with quote

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:39 -0500, Mikey
wrote:

>I'm still confused, is Acetone what you use to get Crazy Glue off of
>something or not?
>
>Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Nippy, I've been trying to contact you,
>should I give up?
>
>Mikey

Hey dOOd - just got back from a long run down south. Got an FM3 now,
and a camper that's stationed on the rancho of mi amiga in Akumal.
Will post an update after I get over drinking the local (Aurora)
water. Spent yesterday (first day home) hugging the comode, but
today's a bit better. Don't give up on me just yet!
HAPPY 4th!!!
Steve

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